/// <summary>
        /// Returns the size of the container for a given item.  The size can come from the container, a lookup, or a guess depending 
        /// on the virtualization state of the item.
        /// </summary> 
        /// <param name="itemsControl"></param> 
        /// <param name="item"></param>
        /// <param name="index"></param> 
        /// <param name="container">returns the container for the item; null if the container wasn't found</param>
        /// <returns></returns>
        private Size ContainerSizeForItem(ItemsControl itemsControl, object item, int index, out UIElement container)
        { 
            Size containerSize;
            container = index >= 0 ? ((ItemContainerGenerator)Generator).ContainerFromIndex(index) as UIElement : null; 
 
            if (container != null)
            { 
                containerSize = container.DesiredSize;
            }
            else
            { 
                // It's virtualized; grab the height off the item if available.
                object value = itemsControl.ReadItemValue(item, _desiredSizeStorageIndex); 
                if (value != null) 
                {
                    containerSize = (Size)value; 
                }
                else
                {
                    // 
                    // No stored container height; simply guess.
                    // 
                    containerSize = new Size(); 

 
                    if (Orientation == Orientation.Horizontal)
                    {
                        containerSize.Width = ContainerStackingSizeEstimate(itemsControl, /*isHorizontal = */ true);
                        containerSize.Height = DesiredSize.Height; 
                    }
                    else 
                    { 
                        containerSize.Height = ContainerStackingSizeEstimate(itemsControl, /*isHorizontal = */ false);
                        containerSize.Width = DesiredSize.Width; 
                    }
                }
            }
 
            Debug.Assert(!containerSize.IsEmpty, "We can't estimate an empty size");
            return containerSize; 
        }